They kick the show off discussing how they both coach at small Catholic schools (where they are actually rivals!) and the way sports can bring people together. They share some of Pope Leo's recent comments about the intersection of faith & sports and how they have seen those in real time during their many years coaching.

Then, they talk about the importance of music to our everyday lives, including how it impacts how we pray. Jeremy shares about his experiences leading worship but also how his band reaches people with the Good News simply through good music, like good ol' Switchfoot.

He is a talented and great man so I'm happy that we FINALLY recorded this and get to share it with you today :)

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